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#173 Getting More Right Than Wrong (with Saul Humphrey)
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#173 Getting More Right Than Wrong (with Saul Humphrey)

“We need an abundance of the things we need — safe homes, good jobs, healthcare — not an abundance of consumption.”

- Saul Humphrey

Winston Churchill once said, “We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us.”

Saul Humphrey is a UK-based leader and sustainability advocate, a professor of sustainable construction at Anglia Ruskin University, and Vice President of the Chartered Institute of Building. He’s also the founder of an eponymously named consultancy practice that integrates sustainable design with practical innovation. The arc of his career bends towards reducing carbon impact and creating long-term resilience in the built environment.

With both realism and hope, Saul and Andy explore the tension between growth and sustainability; what “abundance” means in an ever-warming world; how our built environment shapes our collective destiny; and how we can reimagine construction as an act of care for future generations.


"Design" by A.R. Ammons

The drop seeps whole
from boulder-lichen
or ledge moss and drops,

joining, to trickle,
run, fall, dash,
sprawl in held deeps,

to rush shallows, spill
thin through heights,
but then, edging,

to eddy aside, nothing
of all but nothing’s
curl of motion spent.

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